Talk:Volus

Plural

Is the plural of volus voli? Dtemps123 01:29, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Volus is the plural of volus. Same as asari, krogan, drell, hanar, geth, raloi (pretty sure), and probably others. SpartHawg948 04:06, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

I saw that the page for the Volus was on the list of stubs needing work, so I took a crack at it. This is my first time really doing an article from start to finish, so if there is anything I missed, or messed up on, please let me know. Thanks! SpartHawg948 08:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Aren't the Volus clan-based? They belong to different clans, but because they're...er, not physically adept, they trade and barter land to assert superiority. It would also explain why almost every Volus you meet calls you Earth-clan. I'd reccomend talking to the Volus ambassador; he's sarcastic, but you can learn a lot about the history and culture of the Volus people (Volusians?) that way. -Knoxitor

Foreign Relations

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it odd that there is so much talk in-game about the volus joining the Council? (specifically when, esp in relation to the Systems Alliance). The reason I ask is b/c (at least as I understand it) when the volus became a client race of the Turian Hierarchy, they surrendered control of their foreign policy to the turians as part of the deal. This is reinforced by the entry for the planet Patavig. Yet Din Korlack is all indignant that the volus aren't on the Council when he should know better than anyone the foreign relations situation w/ the turians, and other comments made suggest many think it's if, not when, the volus get a seat. Does this strike anyone else as majorly inconsistent? SpartHawg948 02:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

But they have their own embassy on the Citadel, which implies recognition as an independent political entity. -DarkJeff 04:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Of course, there's also the question of what the client/patron relationship actually entails. -DarkJeff 04:14, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I think it's less to do with their sovereignty and more to do with the fact they've been part of the Citadel for-freaking-ever, about as long as the salarians, and not got a seat, whereas newbies like humans and turians are getting welcomed with open arms. --Tullis 11:57, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to point out, in answer to the comment regarding what the client/patron relationship entails, this very article points out "In return for falling under the protective umbrella of the turian military, the volus pay a tax to the Hierarchy, as well as deferring to the turians in all foreign policy matters". I think that pretty well sums it up. I do see your point though, Tullis. Makes sense. It kind of started me thinking though- Maybe they WERE on track to a Council seat till they became clients of the turians, but now the asari and salarians won't allow it, as it would essentially give the turians two votes. Hmmm... SpartHawg948 04:19, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Another thought (yes, this whole thing still bugs the crap out of me!), in response to DarkJeff's post that the volus have an embassy, implying recognition as an independent entity, the volus got the embassy before they joined the Hierarchy (remember, they were the third species to discover the Citadel), so the embassy may exist more due to inertia and bureaucracy than anything else. Maybe they just didn't want to have to take the embassy away. I mean after all, they're such friendly little guys... SpartHawg948 08:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Movement to Non-Council races?

In a recently revealed picture from rpgfan.com, it shows the Volus as being listed as a non-council race in the in-game codex. Does this warrant the volus being moved to the non-council race section?

http://www.rpgfan.com/pics/Mass_Effect_2/ss-015.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.120.93.136 (talk · contr).

They were never a council race.--Matt 2108 19:43, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

And if you paid attention, the page is divided into Citadel, Non-Citadel, and Historical races. No council divisions are made.--Xaero Dumort 20:27, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

It indicates on that list you (the player of that screenshot) has so far not met any species that are Citadel races who are not members of the council (human now being a council race, suggesting after the humans assended to a council race they did what the batarian's did when humanity got something they didn't like and just left there embassy at the Citadel. You remember there resentment they have over being exluded from the Council in Mass Effect 1, the ambassador is quite hostile believing humanity is getting everything too quickly (like a private embassy whilst the volus had to share).

In Mass Effect 1 they were clearly listed as a Citadel race in the codex in Mass Effect 2 they are clearly listed as non-citadel. How ever this could vary due to how you decided to end the game. If shepard opted for a human only council they could have left the Citadel out of protest and anger, if shepard saves the council and humanity is asked to join they again could have left the Citadel out of protest and anger, if shepard opts for a human lead council the volas could have been asked to join (as politcly they are a usefull ally against the salarians, turians and asari who excluded the volus from the council and now are not happy with humanity leading it). ░▒▓ Alex | Talk ▓▒░ 15:15, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

what are you talking about, they are listed as a non-council race not a non-citadel race, you make no sense. ralok 16:20, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Xaero is referring to the Races page, while the others are referring to the Codex, as the statements clearly show, so yes, Ralok, he does make sense! As for the volus apparently not having an embassy, they didn't necessarily have to leave- maybe the Council finally wised up and realized the volus shouldn't even have an embassy. As the game states several times, and as I have pointed out several times, the volus, as one of the conditions for their joining the Turian Hierarchy as a client race, handed over their foreign policy to the turians. Therefor, there really isn't a reason for them to have an embassy, and there is definitely a reason for them to NOT get a Council seat, as that would effectively give the turians two votes in the Council. Maybe the Council finally realized this and revoked the volus embassy? SpartHawg948 22:29, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

But where is it stated that they no longer have an embassy, and in the first game in the codex they are listed as a non- council race, that image only seems to confirm that the codex is organized the same in the second game. I have heard none of this information about the volus, they were never on the council. So the status wasnt revoked really this is a pointless discussion. ralok 02:01, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I dont think anyone should bother responding to me, i am just terribly confused, and anything anybody says will probably just increase my confusion ralok 02:04, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

contradiction

How is it that they don't believe it's possible to own a person, yet part of their culture entails trading tribe members? RS89 07:46, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

It seems to me that what is being said is that no one person can lay claim to another. They treat people like resources, and as such, feel free to trade them to other tribes, the same as they do any other resource. People are communal resources, not individual property. As such, no one individual can own another person, but at the same time, the community can make use of individuals for purposes of trade and all that. Sort of like tax dollars. No one person owns tax dollars, but the community does get to decide (either directly or through elected representatives) how to use them. SpartHawg948 08:02, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

• In fact, upon further consideration, it isn't a contradiction at all. One point reinforces the other. After all, when it says volus don't believe it's possible to own a person, they aren't speaking about 'own' in terms of property, like a slave or anything. They're talking claiming them as a member of your particular family. After all, it's taken from a sentence explaining why volus don't use family names. And when you get down to it, what keeps us from going out and selling or trading our friends and family now? The fact (deeply ingrained in us by biology and culture) that they are our friends and family. When you remove any sort of possessive societal bond, there really isn't a compelling reason not to treat people simply as resources. The only reason chattel slavery existed was because people were able to look at the people they were enslaving and say that they weren't like them, they weren't one of us. And they were able to do this because of the sense of possession and ownership that comes along with familial relations and claiming people as ours. So it really isn't a contradiction at all. When you look at it on a sociological and philosophical level, it's really quite brilliant. SpartHawg948 08:16, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

First or third with an embassy?

Watch the conversation with Avina, starting at 1:40 into the video, but paying particular attention to 1:48. At 1:40, Avina tells Shep that all races important enough to be consulted on galactic politics have embassies. This would seem to include both the asari and the salarians. And at 1:48, she informs us that the volus were the first Non-Council race to be granted an embassy. But wait, weren't they the first non-Council race on the Citadel, period? Yup. So, why quantify it with non-Council, unless the two Council races there before them also had embassies that were present prior to the volus getting theirs? SpartHawg948 01:13, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

I forgot that Avina said non-council and its clear that the turians, who are a council race, have an embassy, thanks to Mass Effect: Retribution. I'd say that the asari and salarians have them as well. So they are probably the third, but that's my guess. Lancer1289 01:16, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Good point. I'd totally forgotten that Retribution shows conclusively that Council races also have embassies. I mean, it's common sense that they would, as I don't really see the three Councilors handling little trivial matters concerning some of their citizens in the Council chambers, but even better than common sense is canon proof, and we have that here in spades! SpartHawg948 01:19, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

(Double edit conflict) You found the same video I was skimming through to make precisely this point. Small internet.
And we do know from Retribution that the turians have an embassy (with an ambassador), even though they're a Council race. -- Commdor (Talk) 01:21, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Small internet indeed! :) SpartHawg948 01:22, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Notable Volus and how Nift Cal isn't one

I had hoped this would stop, but apparently not. Please Niftu Cal is NOT a notable volus. Look at the rest of the list:

• Barla Von: Plays a major role in a quest for Mass Effect.
• Din Korlack: The volus ambassador. You can't get much bigger right now.
• Doran: Owns a popular night club which is involved in several assignments and is involved with several assignments.
• Han Olar: Provides information about the rachni during Noveria in ME, and even sends an email in ME2.
• Jahleed: Involved with an assignment and extends into Mass Effect 2. Notable because of the research being done.
• Pitne For: Again a major player in terms of the Mission that he's involved in. Can even be arrested if you choose.

The reason that Niftu keeps getting added is more than likely because he's funny. People that is not a reason for him being notable in terms of how we define it. Notable volus need to have a significant impact on the story, and all Niftu is, is comic relief. Therefore, stop adding it as it will be reverted on sight. Funny is not a reason for adding something when their story impact on the universe as a whole, and I could go even further above, is negligible. Lancer1289 13:40, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Ever stop to think that maybe his humor makes him "notable" ? He's much more memorable than Han Olar and Jahleed if nothing else.

Humor is not a notable quality. Lancer1289 03:41, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

How would a volus refer to a salarian, turian, or asari?

"Earth-clan" has a nice ring to it, but I don't know about "Sur'Kesh-clan," "Palaven-clan" or "Thessia-clan." But that may not be it either considering they refer to themselves as "Vol-clan" making no reference to their homeworld Irune.

Has a volus referred to any other race besides human in this way in any work?

The volus on Citadel in ME2 refers to Tali as «clan-less». 109.230.141.22 08:46, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Topics like this belong in the fourms, a blog post not here as this isn't what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 03:42, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Topics like this do belong here since such a discussion is what talk pages exist for - for discussion of a content of an article. 109.230.141.22 08:46, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

How's the view from that high horse of yours?

Wording on Council Race

"Council races need to have provided some extraordinary service to the Citadel, such as the turians' military support during the Krogan Rebellions. Council races also need to provide fleets, resources, and economic aid in case of disaster, none of which the volus are capable of."

This should probably be worded better, since the volus are best known for their financial contributions to Citadel Space. Before humans are given a spot in the Council, each Council race has a specific role - asari : diplomacy, salarian : intelligence, turian : military. Volus : finance wouldn't be much of a streth, and, if anything, their client status with the Turian Hierarchy is what most likely prevents them from having their own spot. LoveWaffle 21:53, March 28, 2012 (UTC) (forgot to sign)

Patavig

This may be a issue, i see that patavig stands under colnies, but it is the player chosise that makes it a volus colony

here is the are the 2 oppertunites

1. Shepard didn't save the council, but its late revaled that they gave patavig to the volus
2. if the council is still alive , does the volus still negotiate with the alliance,

so shoul patavig be removed or stand`? --Perkins98 (talk) 19:36, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Patavig stays, but I've added a note to clarify that it becomes a volus colony only if the Council dies in ME. -- Commdor (Talk) 19:48, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Nice, thanks :)--Perkins98 (talk) 20:23, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Embassy

Wiki: The volus were the third race to post an embassy to the Citadel after the asari and salarians, in exactly 200 BCE (according to Citadel records accessed through Avina, outside the Embassies). 2183-2348 = 200 BCE

Avina: “The volus were the first non-Council species to be granted an embassy, roughly 2,384 galactic standard years ago”.

ME Revelation: “The galactic standard year—an average of the asari, salarian, and turian years—was only 1.09 times longer than Earth’s.”

2384/1.09=2187 2183-2187= 5 BCE

Is it correct?

Wiki: The Citadel Council made first contact with the batarians in approximately 200 BCE, and granted the batarians an embassy on the Citadel a century later. (100 BCE)

Then it’s impossoble. Where I can find this date – “The Citadel Council made first contact with the batarians in approximately 200 BCE”? Is it linked to date of volus embassy or first contact with batarians was in 200 BCE?

Codex: «2165 - Humans establish embassy on Citadel». Avina (2183): «The most recently added embassy belongs to your own species: humanity. It was added nineteen galactic standard years ago, despite some rather vocal opposition."» 2183-19=2164 (mistake). 19/1.09=17.4. Now 2183-17.4=2165.6 (correct). --Alexpolt (talk) 07:55, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Volus Ladies

Y'know, it just occurred to me that I can't recall seeing any volus females in any of the games. While I understand why there was only one sex for say, turians (having to make double the models) it's a little odd that the volus never got any female characters since the suits mean any visually distinct characteristics could be hidden. They just need to have the character voiced by a woman and we'd accept it. Then looking through the page, I actually can't see any mention of volus women at all. Is that really the case? Across all three games, with their myriad of conversations and codex entries, there wasn't a single reference to volus women? --86.29.7.17 20:54, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

volus genders

Mass Effect Andromeda: Initiation has a few sentences to say about the matter: it's actually ambiguous in-universe if volus are monogendered, male/female, nonbinary or whatever.

now, characters in-universe refer to the volus they're speaking to according to whether they sound "male" or "female" primarily for convenience's sake. for this reason, 7 days after this i will be will be appending "Ambiguously" to their stated genders on their infoboxes - "ambiguously male" or "ambiguously female" - unless there are other suggestions or cases for keeping the status quo or eliminating it entirely. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 15:23, May 14, 2018 (UTC)

Should the appropriate area in the manual of style (or the infobox) be updated with a quick line with this new information? That way no one can argue later "It should be this, or it should be that, or blah, blah, blah..."

Will you be updating all volus characters throughout the site?

As in-game/in-canon takes precedent, I'm ok with the change. --GS877 (talk) 17:15, May 14, 2018 (UTC)

for all intents and purposes only the infobox entries will change. pronouns are the same since the characters (and the volus themselves) don't really care one way or another.

a quick line for justifications on the infobox itself becomes unwieldy in the long run. a general notice in the racial talkpage would suffice. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 22:14, May 14, 2018 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan. The changes you propose make sense. --GS877 (talk) 06:38, May 16, 2018 (UTC)

as it turns out i'm not even a fan of my own proposal given that it looks too unwieldly. i'm fine with torpedoing it indefinitely until someone else comes up with a better idea, or i can suggest an alternate that looks less unwieldly: "masculine" or "feminine" (as with asari who don't explicitly wish to be referred to in other genders). both can be used as nouns anyway albeit uncommonly. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 11:13, May 21, 2018 (UTC)

That "sounds better" at least when I say it/read it. Unless in game canon says "They call themselves Ambiguously Male or Ambiguously Female" and they are super clear about that, it just seems like a mouthful of words.

Your proposal to match up like asari seems very reasonable.

On a side note, how about "Round"? :) --GS877 (talk) 16:16, May 24, 2018 (UTC)