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Removing large section of speculation for the benefit of new users. --Tullis 01:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Another Possible Reference for the Trivia Section? Edit

Might the point that its nickname is "Species 37" be a reference to the monstrous carnivorous plant in the first Resident Evil game and its remake - Plant 42? - Somarinoa 15:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Reaper-Thorian connection?Edit

They seem very similar. Both have existed for an unknown amount of time and have cycles of activity. Both practice mind control. Both of have zombie-like servants. And both view other lifeforms with contempt.

Yes, but if anything I think the Thorian was presented as sort of an equal-but-opposite to the Reapers, specifically Sovereign. There are similarities, as you point out, but whereas the Reapers are the pinnacle of mechanical evolution, holding organic life in utter contempt, seeing them at best as tools to be used till they have outlived their usefulness, the Thorian is the epitome of organic life, especially as it represents plant-life ascendant. They both twist sentient organic beings to their own purpose, viewing them as nothing but tools, but the principal servants of the Sovereign are machines (the geth), while the principal servants of the Thorian are organic. And I believe that Sovereign, or at least his principal agent Saren, saw that the two were acting in direct opposition, as he attempted to exterminate the Thorian. So there may be some connection, but if there is it is as the two polar opposite ends of the machine-organic spectrum. SpartHawg948 10:54, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

clap clap clap(applause) that was the most awesome thing ever that you just wrote, that was really really cool. It actually gave me a whole new percpective on the thorian. ralok 00:07, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

It seemed more likely, to me anyway, that Saren wanted the thorian dead so that the cipher couldn't be passed on to anyone else. Namely Shepard.-- 23:06, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Since Reapers are synthetic/organic constructs with lots of different 'minds' and given that the Thorian survived the last harvest, it might be that they were a spacefaring species at least 37 million years ago (Derelict Reaper's age) and the Reapers harvested and integrated them so they could control organics. The indoctrination seems similar, they both gave headaches to the subjects. --Bfosterd 13:22, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

That's a good thought actually. The reapers and the Thorian look a fair bit alike. And I doubt an animal organism looked any thing like the Reapers we've seen.--Allurade Dendra 20:43, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
Disproved my hypothesis, the Indoctrination Page provides more than adequate evidence to prove that they use completely different means to enslave minds and therefore making it highly unlikely that they intergrated the Thorian's species. I'm kinda new, should this thread be deleted or kept for reference? --Bfosterd 17:29, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thorian Nodes Edit

Has anyone else noticed the two arrows on the node health bars, or know why they're there? They're the same ones you get whilst creating the cure on Noveria, and when severing the Geth ship's claw with the pressure door on Feros. I tried getting the health bar to sit between the two arrows on each node but nothing happened.. Just thought I'd point it out as it seemed a bit odd. I'm on the Xbox 360 version by the way, just incase it doesn't appear on the PC version.-- 23:10, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this has been pointed out in the Mass Effect Guide's talk page. I have no idea what's going on there. I tried the same thing, thinking I could do it to all of the nodes, but the doors won't open until the node is destroyed. Might have been a design decision that was cut. --Tullis 23:20, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
If I had to guess, I would say it would have been possible to let the Thorian live early in design. As for why it was cut, time, obvious problems with thinking Shepard would let a dangerous plant live, and maybe sympathy for the player who has to put up with the condescending council remarks post mission, particularly the Turian's.--Allurade Dendra 00:57, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I was just asking because I'm playing that part now. I tried it again but as you say the doors wont open for you. It kinda made me think there was a way you could complete the quest without killing the Thorian the first time I saw it. Never mind though, I'd probably kill it anyway lol.-- 23:26, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

There were some leftover sound files in the PC version which indicated that it was possible for Shepard to negotiate with the Thorian and eventually choosing one of three options. You could either kill the Thorian, as is used in the game now; damage the control nodes to leave the Thorian alive but free the thralls, an option only available if the majority of the colonists had been saved using the gas grenades; or agree to let the Thorian keep the thralls in exchange for the Cipher. Apparently the last two options were cut from the game late in development.
- SirGeon Jones 11:21, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

More then one Edit

A creature wouldn't just appear from no where, so i think the thorian what was killed by Shepard, was just one of the race and had a genetic ancestor, or to be simple a parent. It must had somekind of... eerr... "thing what came before".

Well the Thorian didn't appear from nowhere. It didn't just spring into being one day out of thin air. And if creatures can't appear from nowhere, and must have genetic ancestors and all that, how are we here? After all, that first living thing did pretty much just appear, one way or another. And there is ample evidence that this is the only one. Its size, the effects it has on people, the fact that these effects were able to be localized around one settlement (where the Thorian itself was) allowing Exogeni to safely observe from an apparently Thorian-free area, the fact that Saren attempted to destroy this one to destroy the Cipher (he'd need to take them all out if there were more than one, which would immediately draw the attention of the Citadel), on and on and on. One Thorian could conceal itself over all these years and milennia, from several species. Many Thorians? Not so much. SpartHawg948 21:33, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
I have a theory that it is sarlacc like in nature. And i always felt there was some underlying relation beetween it and the reapers. But on the subject of there being mroe than one, maybe, maybe not. Who knows, maybe it kileld all the others of its kind. ralok 21:38, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
That's quite interesting, I would guess they are, since every complete reaper I've seen vaugely resembles the thorian in a mechanical way. As to Saren having to destroy all of them, not quite, that thorian spanned the entire planet, but Shepard destroyed the main nerve center, since it spanned an entire planet, it's unlikely there are any more on Feros. I wager others were on other planets and systematically destroyed as the reapers invaded. There could be more, but not on Feros, and not having any connection to the Protheans.Allurade Dendra 22:08, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
Well you have to remember that my comment about Saren having to destroy all of them was in reference to the theory that there are multiple Thorians on Feros. In fact, it was one of the points I raised illustrating why I think this is not the case. SpartHawg948 22:05, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough but remember the boss fight involved destroying "Thorian Nodes", which leaves the untouched question of one developing into a main throian node.--Allurade Dendra 22:08, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
True, but ultimately irrelevant to the point I was making. The question was whether or not there was more than one Thorian. And a node which may someday develop into one is still not a Thorian. It's not even a proto-Thorian. It's more a pre-proto-Thorian. SpartHawg948 22:43, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Now that i think about it, i didnt realize this until now. What if, and i am saying WHAT, stress that word. Considering the age of the thorian, what if it was the last standing member of the race that sovereign, derelict, and harbinger were born from. Perhaps even the progenitor of the reapers. There is certainly some underlying similarities. ralok 00:54, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

I dunno. I still hold to my 'equal-but-opposite' position (mentioned above in the Reaper-Thorian Connection? thread). The Thorian is the pinnacle of 'natural' life, while the Reapers are the pinnacle of synthetic life, viewing organics with disdain. Given the rather unique form of life that the Thorian represents, I'd be very surprised to learn that there is, was, whatever, more than one Thorian, and even more so to learn that a plant-based life form, clearly integrated into the very planet it dwells on, had for some reason gone in completely the opposite direction, somehow constructed a new metal body (and possibly gotten rid of its old one, as we've seen the insides of multiple Reapers, and they don't look like the Thorian at all), and gone on an anti-organic killing spree. I'll admit, there are similarities, but I'm not convinced. SpartHawg948 01:04, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
Or it could just be that Bioware did that just to send us on the wrong path entirely.Allurade Dendra 01:07, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
PErhaps reapers and thorians are descended from the same race, one group seeking organic immortality, the other group seeking it through machinery. If there was a connect i would not at all be surprised, thats all i am saying. ralok 01:09, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
My theory on the Thorian is that it has evolved from something. I mean that may be Feros's natural ecosystem contained this kind of long-lived creepy half animal half plants. one of these things, get in to an environment, where it (and due to it's long life, not it's descendants) adapted and slowly became the Thorian. Like pigs. If you let a pig from a farm to the wild, it will deform into boar (mostly). And it happens in a few year. The "pre-Thorian" may had more time, and was able for more adaptation. I also like ralok's idea, because that would explain why didn't the reapers killed the thorian. (It may was in sleep in under the time of the reaper attack but i bet they would have find it.)

Why did the Thorian refer to itself as the 'Old Growth' when it considered all animal life beneath its notice. Is there a New Growth, or Young Growth, hanging around somewhere we should be worrying about?

-SirGeon Jones 11:25, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Is it actually a "creature"? Edit

I've seen a couple of edits lately that tried to switch the Thorian from the "creatures" category to the "races" category, but were reverted. Is there a reason for this? As an intelligent being, the Thorian seems like it fits better in the latter category.--Zxjkl (talk) 05:58, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

because it's one of a kind and the only creature of its kind unlike the others in the races category. we'd be better off leaving it as "a creature".
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