Talk:Mysterious Figure

Image

Should we put in the same image from Shepard's page, indicating default appearance? Would stem to reason. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 00:32, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

I was thinking the character infobox image should be formatted like the one in the Commander Shepard article, but taken from ME3 and preferably be of the clone itself with the default faces (in that CAT6 armor they wear during the Citadel Archives: Escape mission). It's extra work, but I wouldn't feel right about slapping an image from ME on here since this is ME3 DLC. The enemy infobox image would require default male and female Shepards anyway. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:50, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea to me. Question though: do the Clone's abilities change depending upon Shepard's class? I'm just thinking that we might need 6 enemy infoboxes is all.Garhdo (talk) 01:12, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Yes the clone's powers change according to Shepard's class. --MasterDassJennir (talk) 05:21, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

My Vanguard Shepard had Warp used on him. I think that the clone uses powers of the same type, rather than just class. Lksdjf (talk) 06:01, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

I too feel that the image used should be of them in their CAT6 armor, since it seems that during your fight with him/her, their N7 armor stripe color changes with their class. If not that, then maybe that blurry image you see of them. --Soren7550 (talk) 06:22, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Powers

I just played it, as a Sentinel, and I could swear she had Incinerate. It makes total sense for her abilities to be precisely the same as Shepard's (minus bonus power -- Dark Channel in my case, which came in very handy all throughout the DLC), but if that wasn't Incinerate, then what was it?

It WAS Incinerate. The Clone's powers are not exactly the same as Shepard's, at least as a Sentinel, as Sentinel does not get access to Incinerate. It's also been reported that, as a Soldier, the clone also has access to Carnage, which player Soldiers don't get, either. So when the article becomes open for editing, it should be made clear that the powers are not a direct match. --24.20.192.190 20:16, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

The Soldier clone also has a version of Incendiary Grenade--TW6464 (talk) 20:24, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

I would like to point out that all the clones seem to have a version of incendiary grenade, adept one's has blue fire. Engineer and infiltrator also has one, according to you soldier has one, It will take a bit more time to fully confirm it myself but I wouldn't be surprised if the vanguard and sentinel ones also have an incendiary grenade. Midnightpiranha (talk) 16:19, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

The regular fire ones are properly called Inferno Grenade. And the "blue fire" ones are biotic grenades--closest would be Lift Grenade. Trandra (talk) 16:23, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Major Spoiler

Even with the spoiler warning it's impossible to avoid seeing who the character is if you accidentally find yourself on this page. Is there some way of minimising the page so that you need to actively click even after seeing the spoiler warning? Phalanx-a-pedian 13:42, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

DAwiki manage it so i'm sure its possible, but I wouldn't know how to do it. Garhdo (talk) 14:00, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Wow! That's a wonderfully done wiki! I'll have a look at how its done. Phalanx-a-pedian 16:10, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

And that isn't how we do things here, and has been repeadely rejected. There is no need for petty insults as well. Lancer1289 (talk) 17:21, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

I fail to see any insult. Lksdjf (talk) 21:18, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Didn't saw any insult either. But speaking of spoilers, I see no reason why they should be hidden. Most of people come here looking for that kinda information. --MasterDassJennir (talk) 21:24, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Looking at the Policy Forum I cannon't see anything there relating to this, nor does the manual of style seem to say anything against it. Please link to where it has been rejected. Just because something is not how its currently done does not mean that things can't be changed. It's a good alternative that serves a very real purpose. I also don't see any "petty insults" what so ever. MasterDassJennir, the point was that with this particular article it would be very easy to accidentally click and before you are able to turn back you will have seen the spoiler, especially if there is an image (which I see has now been removed). It's in the first line. If not the click to reveal idea, then may I propose that the image be that of the fuzzy screen and removing mention to MF being Shepard from the first paragraph. Phalanx-a-pedian 21:34, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

That last suggestion sounds like a good balance to me. Garhdo (talk) 21:37, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Absolutely not. Accommodating the uninitiated readers out there has to be balanced with readers who already know the secrets and the editors who navigate through them daily. We can't treat new/unspoiled readers preferentially and at the expense of everyone else.
Wikipedia uses no spoiler tags or warnings whatsoever, save for a general boilerplate statement about how users read at their own risk; some wikis like DA Wiki go the opposite direction and conceal spoilers behind templates, obscuring entire swathes of articles and reducing accessibility. I'm not saying either way is the wrong way to go, but both have obvious flaws that can't be ignored. Wikipedia provides no spoiler protection, DA Wiki provides significant protection but at the cost of reader/editor accessibility. ME Wiki's spoiler tag system is, in my opinion, a better alternative than either despite its own inherent flaws, and as I have done before I will oppose in the strongest possible terms any attempt to install more intrusive systems or measures like what Phalanx-a-pedian proposes. Neither article text nor images should be obscured because they may contain spoilers, the cost far outweighs any conceivable benefit. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:26, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Well may I propose something like this:

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Mysterious Figure
Race	Human
Gender	Male or Female
Voice Actor	Mark Meer (Male) Jennifer Hale (Female)
Appearances	Mass Effect 3

“Look at you. What makes you so damned special? Why you and not me?”

The Mysterious Figure is an individual who hires a mercenary group to assassinate Commander Shepard whilst they are on shore leave in 2186.

{{Spoilers (Mass Effect 3)}} == Background == The Mysterious Figure eventually reveals that they are a clone originally created to provide spare organs and limbs for the real Commander Shepard, who was being revived by the Lazarus Project.

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The current image used in to enemy info box further down the page. Obviously the introductory paragraph would be expanded, but this is intended to give a rough idea. Just keep the spoiler from being unavoidable so that the spoiler tag is not useless. I was under the impression that the opening section was not supposed to include any spoilers anyway when possible. Phalanx (talk|contibutions) 11:16, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

I like this proposal as a good balance, however I would suggest an alternate headquote as it alludes to the Clone's true nature. Garhdo (talk) 11:21, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

I did think about that. I decided that it doesn't really matter because the point of this is to allow the spoiler concious to get off the page quickly without having the reveal spoiled. If they linger around long enough to read that they have probably either looked below to spoiler tag or read the voice actor bit and pieced it together. Phalanx (talk|contibutions) 11:32, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

@phalanxapedian: if i were you, i'd delete your proposal here after whatever the community decides to do with it. we use autocategories on our templates and they were NEVER intended for use on talkpages.

as to the point, if it can be worded like that, fine. although i'll probably take another picture myself as that one up is obviously a youtube rip. and watch the gender neutrality. manshep is not the only hero of the galaxy. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 11:35, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

on another perspective, spoilering may actually be useless. voice actor data gives it away. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 11:42, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

That was the plan. I've fixed the gender neutral bit. Feel free to edit the proposal so long as you list what you do down below here. As for the image, what sort of thing were you thinking off? I mentioned the thing about the voice actor above. Yes it gives it away but at least this way the spoiler concious have the opportunity to get off the page without seeing the image/reading it in the first line. Phalanx (talk|contibutions) 11:47, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

I can work with the distorted image for the character infobox because that's at least already present in the game itself, and I suppose it would be a more unique way to represent the character than an image of the clone with the default appearances (the clone is a copy, after all). I'd be fine with that. -- Commdor (Talk) 22:21, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Seconded, thirded or what ever makes it more unique.--FossilLord 15:39, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Should what powers/weapons the clone uses?

And I mean in detail, for every class.--TW6464 (talk) 18:50, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

If memory serves...
Sentinel: Not sure what weapon it uses, has Tech Armor active and casts Warp and Incinerate (Incinerate can stagger). Has the player's double omni-blade melee attack.
Vanguard: Wields a shotgun, uses Biotic Charge and Nova combo.
Infiltrator: Not sure what weapon it uses, but activates a persistent Tactical Cloak when it's close to dieing.
Engineer: Wields a sub-machine gun, summons a drone.
Soldier: Wields an assault rifle, frequently uses Frag Grenades, apparently uses Carnage (according to BSN users).
Adept: Not sure what weapon it uses, casts Warp.

If there's any more that they do, I haven't seen it, don't remember at the moment, or haven't heard about it. --24.20.192.190 20:30, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

I know that Soldier uses N7 Valkyrie, Medi-gel, Incendiary Grenades, Carnage and the Omni-Blade.--TW6464 (talk) 20:35, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Infiltrator clone uses a Black Widow. Vanguard clone is capable of using Warp. Lksdjf (talk) 21:17, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Soldier also uses concussive shot, albeit very sporadically, mostly goes around with an assault rifle and carnage. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 21:42, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

The page says under Tactics that the clone will use the corresponding N7 weapons depending on class, however, during a Vangard playthrough in which I had purchased the Wraith shotgun it was using that instead of the N7 Crusader. (Moirha (talk) 14:36, March 8, 2013 (UTC))

The Adept has some kind of Grenade ability. These grenades leave patches of blue fire on the ground. Any idea what it could be? Garhdo (talk) 10:39, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Rename?

Hey, since the character is referred to as "Clone" throughout the add-on, wouldn't it be best if we renamed the page "Clone"?

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 20:55, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

The character is identified as "Mysterious Figure" in the subtitles up until the very end of the Citadel Archives: Escape mission. I think this title is better for the article considering "Clone" is both vague (clone of who or what?) and is itself something of a spoiler (and as other discussions here attest, spoilers are an issue in this case). "Mysterious Figure" is obviously not too specific either, but I think it's a more unique title than just "Clone" and it does a good job of not spoiling the content in a way that can't be addressed by the spoiler tag.
But I'm not entirely committed one way or the other just yet. I want to play the DLC again, see if it gives me any other ideas. -- Commdor (Talk) 23:26, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't aware it was referred to as "Mysterious Figure" prior to the Archives mission. Yeah, that makes more sense. --The Milkman | I always deliver. 23:32, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

We should have redirects from the search for both Clone and Clone Shepard as people may search for those terms looking for this page. Garhdo (talk) 00:55, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Commander Shepard Clone sounds better.--Mike Gilbert 01:29, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

I'd suggest "Shepard (Clone)" That's how I've seen it done on other wikis.--Gboy4 (talk) 13:36, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

No for two reasons: 1) the idea of preserving the spoiler for new Readers, and 2) The clone is first referred to with the moniker of Mysterious Figure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Garhdo (talk · contr).

Exactly what Garhdo said. These other suggestions could re-direct here, but the page should not be re-named. Much like how Tali's page is still "nar Rayya". Phalanx (talk|contibutions) 14:21, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

N7 armor

Is it always white with a blue stripe, or does his/her armor get the inverted colors of Shepard's armor? Will-O-Wisp (talk)

I saw it white with a red stipe on youtube but i´m not sure under what game condition is required for it to be red.

--Ediskrad327 (talk) 01:54, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Its blue stripe if you're wearing N7 customized. Normal red if wearing a different suit (was wearing terminus armor 2nd citadel playthrough) --Guerrilla S019 (talk) 02:01, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

I figured it was based on class (since the pic I saw showed male Shep with an assault rifle and a blue stripe and FemShep was holding a SMG and had a red stripe). I played as a soldier and saw the clone with a blue stripe. --Soren7550 (talk) 16:40, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

We really could use the male clone part of the infobox image with default N7 color scheme. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 19:11, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

Paragon/Renegade

Should have a section for personality if possible, like whether or not it depends on Shepard's moral alignment, unless it is always Renegade regardless. Dunno 'cuz I always play Paragon. --DC Ambrose (talk) 01:49, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Cleanup done?

I'd like to nominate this to have the "cleanup" tag removed. Or if there are specific things missing/crappy, please let me know what. Thx! Cattlesquat (talk) 18:42, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

i'll clean over this when i finally get the time. until then, cleanup tag stays. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 18:47, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Okay. But just so I learn, what's the stuff that needs cleaning up? Formatting stuff? Pictures? Or the actual text? Cattlesquat (talk) 22:04, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Separate enemy page

Saren, Kai Leng and Rasa already have their pages as enemy. They appear in several media, not just in games, the Clone appears in a game and a comic. Isn't the clone supposed to have own enemy page as the evil trio?FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 20:49, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

This sounds like a good idea and one that is in keeping with established precedent for this wikia. In addition to those you have mentioned other named boss characters like Benezia, Tela Vasir, the Shadow Broker, Balak, and Harbinger (Collector version) have separate enemy pages. TheUnknown285 (talk) 00:39, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

dealt with as per conventions and standard procedure. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 10:45, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Non-binary pronouns proposal

Given the nonspecified genderfluidity of the Clone Shepard, it would make more sense for them to have nonbinary pronouns "They/Them" rather than be simply "It". AnonymousAnomani (talk) 18:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

While it wouldn't necessarily be "wrong" to switch to they/them, and there are pros and cons, the biggest reason I'd argue against this change is article readability, because many of the articles where the clone is talked about, Shepard is also going to be mentioned alongside just as much. Since we already use they/them to refer to Shepard, there's a lot of potential for confused wording if we're referring to BOTH Shepard and the Clone with they/them; leaving the Clone as "it" avoids this issue, helping to differentiate the two characters. So my view on this is no, especially adding on the simple weight of precedent, that is to say it's worked this far, so leave well enough alone. Neo89515 (talk) 19:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)