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Wrong co-ordinates? Edit

It looks like the co-ordinates for Palladium at 0.2, 0.9 are wrong as I cannot find anything there. If someone would like to check it on their copy and update with what they find? --81.107.39.205 14:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Fairly certain that the 0.2, 0.9 co-ordinates are wrong. Its further south on my game, closer to the 0.2, 0.5 given. Not sure if a third opinion should be asked before it is removed. -- Landstradd 20:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Monkey Killing Edit

Its not just running them over with the Mako that nets you Renegade. You can also fire off the cannon into a group of them and get the points. Not sure where that stands on relevance to the article... Or on what it says about me for finding it out... -- Landstradd 21:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I used Lift and dropped one of the crates in the mine shaft on a monkey. -By accident! Got about 6 Renegade points for that. -- Tullis 21:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

2001 Reference Edit

Honestly, I don't think the original version of the trivia made any "claim about what the developers were thinking"...it said the vision "may be a reference", which is pretty much the standard phrasing for this sort of thing in the trivia sections around here. While compromise can often be a laudable thing, I don't really see any compromise in the new wording, if anything it's a little murkier but it boils down to six of one, a half dozen of the other. SpartHawg948 12:06, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

I bet the game's writers were more inspired by the Star Trek TNG episode "The Inner Light".

Toxic HazardEdit

Anyone else think it's strange that the "toxic hazard" (inhaling microscopic creatures) affects you even though you are wearing your helmet? - 86.10.208.29 14:48, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I always thought that was pretty stupid. If I have to worry about the toxic spores while I'm in my pressure suit.. why do I have a pressure suit.. and why would it reset upon entering the Mako? Probably the dumbest hazard in the game :p - Aisynia 06:32, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Mass Effect 2 relevance? Edit

Using a savegame editor (screenshot under [1]) reveals that using the trinket on Eletania might have implications in ME2. Has anyone found out what happens? -- 91.96.204.210 07:33, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

I haven't come across any reference to the event at all, and I'm pretty sure I've hit all the assignments (plus the Firewalker DLC) in ME2, and I remember getting the vision. Maybe it's just a flag for something in ME3. Tanooki1432 04:58, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Cro-Magnon Edit

The vision that Shep gets claims to be seeing the Protheans through the eyes of Cro-Magnon hunter. The Cro-Magnon existed ABOUT 30, 35, 40 thousands years ago. The Protheans were wiped out 50K years ago. This might give us a better idea of just what type of pre-human the Protheans were looking at, but it probably wasn't a Cro-Magnon. As a side note, Cro-Magnon are the earliest known Homo Sapians. Tanooki1432 03:47, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Very interesting... this can likely be explained by pointing out that developers have stated that characters in-game are not omniscient, and are prone to making statements that they think are factual, but really aren't more than guesses. In this case, it would appear that Shepard assumed it was a Cro-Magnon, when as you point out, this very likely isn't the case. After all, the Cro-Magnon bit is Shepard's analysis of the vision, it isn't something actually taken from the vision. Thanks for bringing this up! It's both interesting and enlightening! :) SpartHawg948 03:59, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
+1 I was going to say the exact same thing. It's pretty unlikely Cmdr. Shepard knows about Cro-Magnons off the top of his head. --Palantas (talk) 04:01, May 19, 2014 (UTC)
It may also have not been a Prothean at all, but the Reapers, scouting out potential organizms to use.
Evidence however strongly suggests the Protheans because of the ships found at the Mars outpost were small and in the Codex it states they were most likely used for studying Earth and its organisms. Athrough we have no descroption of the ships found for evidence to back this up. Lancer1289 01:40, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
But doesn't it end with the death of the Cro-Magnon? I was aloways under the impression that the "finger of red light" was an energy projector weapon, similar to what the Reapers use.
Not necessarily, the red light could have been a targeting beam for some type of transporter or something like that. In which case the monitoring device could have been removed so there were no more memories recorded. And I'm pretty sure that if a Reaper weapon would have been used, I don't think much could have survived it. Lancer1289 21:40, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
You are making a few assumptions there, it possible the surviving prothean scientists built the mars base and thrived there as late as 25k years ago. Or its possible that there were cro magnon more than 50k years ago that we never found any proof of, especially considering cro magnon is the oldest homo sapiens. One should note that 10-25k years isnt very much when it comes to evolution. As someone stated shepard can be wrong or a combination of the factors. They could be pre cro-magnon that shepard takes for cro-magnon that we never found any traces of.
My theory would be that the protheans artificially intefered with human evolution, much like they did the hanar. Why is a matter of when they did it. Just for fun if they did it before the fall, or maybe to be the perfect spieces to resist the reapers if it was done after of during the fall of the prothean empire. Though I cannot imagine why they wouldnt use the vorcha or krogan as the basis for their experiemnts then. ofcourse this is pure speculation. Dunge--77.105.201.31 10:47, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
I get the impression it was a Reaper probably not long after the last extinction event. It implanted a device in the cro magnon in order to determine if it was going to be a prominent species in the next cycle. Why a Reaper? The "sound," the description of the appearance of it ("no head" and "no wings"), the "sound" again and this time described as a "deafening roar" (think Sovereign on Eden Prime), and the "red orb" on the "underbelly" perfectly describes the appearance of Sovereign when it attacks. It says nothing about being abducted. It strongly suggests the cro magnon was killed. Reapers leave no trace so it is logical that after the Reapers gathered the necessary information they needed from the cro magnon, they would eventually return and kill it. Leaving that technology in the cro magnon would be dangerous because of archeology. The skeleton, and the device, could be recovered in the future exposing the Reapers. The only discrepancy is describing the Reapers as "silver." I suspect the script for Eletania was written long before the design of the Reapers was finalized so it may simply be the result of taking a different design direction with them. The rest is so spot on to be mere coincidence.
I noticed that early on in Mass Effect, the Protheons are credited with a lot that should be credited to the Reapers. For example, the Citadel, the Mass Relays, "enlightening" the Hanar, etc. We learn from Jaavik that the Protheans were not a noble species at all; they were an unforgiving and dominating species. They wouldn't expend resources enlightening any other species, only controlling them. Hanar and Asari were considered little more than animals (not unlike cro magnon) when the Protheans were around. None of this is really dispelled until after rescuing Liara but because you can visit Eletania before or after Liara so Shepherd assumes Prothean over Reaper. My point is that, even though Shepherd calls it a Prothean artifact, we can't confirm nor deny it being of Prothean make. The artifact itself is quite mysterious as is how the Asari Consort came into possession of a piece of it. What is important is the message it contains rather than what it is. --FordGT90Concept (talk) 21:35, May 18, 2015 (UTC)
Having replayed the three games, the spheres are definitely of Prothean make. It is referenced in all three titles. Like Shepherd touching Jaavik, the spheres likely communicate by touch like other Prothean technology. Shepherd could likely understand the message because of the Prothean cipher. What he sees, though, I'm still pretty sure is a Reaper (probably Sovereign because it's the only Reaper that lingers between extinctions). Except the color, everything else is a match. What doesn't make sense is how a Prothean sphere would invoke an ancestral memory in Shepherd. Cro Magnon never touched this planet. That's really the only explaination I can think of. --FordGT90Concept (talk) 04:57, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

The in game subjectivity is compounded by protheans looking different than the ilos statues.BeoW0lfe 17:58, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

In the ME3 demo there is one of the Reaper attack drones that looks kinda like this, although it's black like the rest of the Reapers and not silver, but still. It's kinda Prothean-like and has a red beam it shoots out of it's underbelly. AbsolutGrndZer0 18:42, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Please take comments like this to more appropriate places, as this isn't what talk pages are for. Lancer1289 19:13, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, talking about what the silver thing in the vision could have been and mentioning something in the ME3 demo that might be similar isn't what a talk page is for? AbsolutGrndZer0 19:54, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

No it isn't. Lancer1289 19:57, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not meaning to be rude or a pain, but I don't understand how my mentioning a a possible correlation (even if I am totally wrong in making that correlation) between the creature in the vision and a Reaper in ME3 isn't what a talk page is for. It's for discussion of things related to the planet Eltania, in this case the vision. For over two years you and others have been discussing that it might be a Prothean or a Reaper... I truly don't understand how my comment doesn't fit but the rest of the entire conversation does. AbsolutGrndZer0 20:19, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Because you are talking about something that is possibly connected to something, and that is speculation. Speculation has no place on a talk page as talk pages are not substitute forums. The first part of this topic was questionable, and started before the talk page policy really began to be enforced. Now, that said it still can fit because it is discussing a possible problem with the timeline in the vision. Your topic is asking people for their opinions about something in the vision and something else, and that doesn't have a place here. Lancer1289 20:25, February 20, 2012 (UTC)


Couple of comments to add here:

1: LOVE the enthusiasm, though the nit-picking is a bit extreme. Sometimes writers, no matter how thorough they try to be, make mistakes. These guys had a lot on their plate at the time. I'm willing to overlook a few factual inaccuracies for the sake of storytelling. 2: Having played through Leviathan I recognize the sphere as the similar or identical to those used by the organic reapers to indoctrinate other species in the vicinity of the artifact. 3: In the second game I had one of those in my cabin (against my own personal judgement...what if it decided to return to its full size while inside the Normandy?)... was Shepard operating under its influence at all? 4: A Space Odyssey may well be an influence on the dream, but keep in mind humans have had lore about this sort of thing long before Clarke and Kubrick made a movie about it. 5: Wouldn't a reference to human development been more likely to be found in the local system? Eletania is pretty far and gone from Earth. It's just a weird neighborhood to leave the surveillance sphere.

66.68.51.107 14:10, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Possible quarian settlement? Edit

It seems like this planet would be a pretty likely spot for a new quarian homeworld. You need an environmental suit to survive, but they all have those anyway. More importantly, the planet is described as having a microscopic symbiotic organism that is present and neccessary to all animal life. This is reminiscent of Tali's explanation of the quarian immune system. Namely that it was evolved to be weak to begin with because most microscopic organisms on their homeworld were beneficial to the host and thus they evolved a symbiotic relationship. It would make sense that they would be uniquely suited to being geneticly engineered to adapt to Eletania. 67.149.196.9 17:26, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

"Microscopic symbiote necessary for life" reminds me of the descolada (from Orson Scott Card's Xenocide). I wonder if that's the inspiration for this, and why the planet is thus considered toxic. There are a lot of references to other scifi in Mass Effect. --Palantas (talk) 03:51, May 19, 2014 (UTC)
This is more appropaite in a blog or forum post, not on this talk page. Also just saying that is making a lot of assumptions. Lancer1289 17:28, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
I'll grant that this is pretty speculative, but I don't think I'm really making much in the way of assumptions. Just pointing out similarities between the in game descriptions of how life evolved on this planet and the quarian homeworld. And the search for a world that is similar to the homeworld in that regard is explicitly mentioned during conversations on Tali's loyalty mission in ME2. Just the same I know it's a bit of a reach. That's why I posted it on the talk page instead of the article. I was curious to see if anyone else thought the comparison was valid. It just seems a bit too specific and obscure for it's own forum topic, and I don't have a blog. 67.149.196.9 18:53, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
The hell? I just (well, some weeks ago) wrote that as part of a ME alternate timeline. Are you by chance on alternatehistory.com or its derivates, or is that just the blasted noosphere acting up again? ;) In any case, it's a long shot, and even then it only works if Eletana's life is dextro-chiral, like Rannoch`s. And, ah, oops, forgot the signature: 79.220.159.123 19:10, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
Awesome! See, that's exactly what I was hoping for. I'm not on any alternate history or fanfic sites. So try not to get Noo on your boots. I didn't actually know this planet existed until I was replaying ME1 after I had played ME2. Having been through Tali's loyalty mission in 2, this idea was the first thing that came to my mind when I discovered Eletania. Good to know I'm not the only one who made the same leap. Could you add the link to what you wrote? That would be especially useful if it has a forum, in case Lancer wants to crop or delete this topic. Which would be fine with me btw Lancer, although if you could give the above poster time to give me the link that would make my day. Either way, apologies to anyone I've annoyed by cluttering up this page. 67.149.196.9 19:44, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
Hm. Interesting. The same rather obscure connection within the span of just a month. Heh, not that I doubt you, I just find it funny. Well, in any case, I'll gladly link: http://www.counter-factual.net/upload/showthread.php?t=10220, should be the most up to date one. General Point of Divergence is a First Contact in 1996 due to Earth's discovery by an asari vessel. Dunno if the subforum is one visible to guests, but if you want to comment you'll have to register anyway ;) And if thus interest is shown in it again I can also post the final section of it... So yes, sorry, Lancer and Spart, as he said, we'll take it to that forum now ;) 79.220.159.123 19:53, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Ring System Edit

Something I'd like brought up in the article...

First, how can a terrestrial planet have a ring system?

Second, why does Eletania's ring system look like the band of a ring from the planet's surface?

And third, what could Eletania's ring system be made of that would explain the above questions?

--Cyberweasel89 20:20, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Answers:
  1. Any planet can have a ring system. Geonosis did in Star Wars, and I'm sure there are probably more than a few other examples. It is a variety of factors but again any planet can have a ring system if it works out right.
  2. While we may not know what that picture looks like, it is honestly a best guess. I'm using Geonosis again, but that is how it looks there. Again it is just a guess how it looks as we have no real life examples to pull from.
  3. It could be a lot of things. Rock left over from when the system was formed, like how Sol's asteroid belt is, wreckage from a moon that never formed, rock from an asteroid(s), or it could be make of ice. There are a number of things it could be made of, but those are the usual suspects.
Again there really isn’t a solid answer for the second and third question, but the first has a pretty solid one. Any planet, with the right combination of factors, can have a ring system. Lancer1289 20:33, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
Don't know about the other two, but for the first question, Eletania, being a large planet has a commanding gravitational pull, which also translates (usually) into the planet's gravity being strong as well. The larger a planet is in relation to its mass, the more of a pull its gravity projects. Take Jupiter and Saturn for example. Jupiter may be bigger (size-wise) than Saturn (heck it could fit every planet in the solar system into its own atmosphere and not have any planet protruding), but it is lighter than Saturn, as there is a higher concentration of gasses on Jupiter than the latter. This is why Saturn has its beautiful ring system, since it has a higher size:mass differential than Jupiter. Despite this, Jupiter actually has a ring system as well, even though it's fairly thin.

I could try answering the second question by stating that it could be an homage to Halo, as the Rings look like planets once they're landed on, and thus project the image of a band of the ring the atmosphere is present on. H-Man Havoc 20:38, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


With the first question I think he was stating more the curiosity that any planet with a ring system couldn't support life as we understand it very well, as the debris in the rings would crash down fairly regularly. In regards to the second question, I believe he was questioning the perspective the ring system is presented in from the planets surface. The band is presented at a slight angle, which would counter the laws of physics as we understand them. Assuming there are no outside variables which the developers left out his first two questions sufficiently explain why a planet like Eletania would most probably never exist in reality. In regards to the third question, if the following concessions were made perhaps a similar planet could exist, although it is still highly unlikely.

a) The planet would have to have very little atmosphere, and a low-density core would make things more probable.

b) The planet and the ring system would have to be old enough that all the matter orbiting in the ring system had settled into a homeostatic orbit.

c) Furthermore the planet and it's ring system would have to have existed in a homeostatic gravitational system long enough for the solar maximum and minimum to have passed enough times that the extra drag incurred by an enlarged atmosphere would have caused all debris that would be vulnerable to orbital decay to have fallen already. This would be arguably impossible as it would take so long that the sun would have changed in composition and size enough to effect the dynamics of the homeostatic orbit.

d) The matter in the rings would have to be sensitive enough to solar wind, or some other force which exists in the system, that the axis of the orbit would be pushed at an angle along the axis of the planet. This force would also have to be oscillating in regular periods with equal and opposite force (I don't even want to get into the details of why this is so ridiculously improbable). Once again arguably impossible as the forces required would have to be subtle enough to not destroy the delicate balance of the homeostatic orbit, while being strong enough to adjust the orbit of an entire ring system. This may be a bit like asking for water that's hotter than boiling, but colder than freezing (Which depending on which theory of temperature you follow may be a trick question, according to numerous theories temperature and molecular energy even is circular or sinusoidal in nature. Anyways, off on a tangent).

There are numerous other details and forces that would have to be twisted or put into anomalous situations in order for a planet with a ring system like Eletania's to have even a chance of naturally occurring in the real world, but these are some of the major issues surrounding a planet like Eletania's improbable existance. However there is so much matter in the Universe that perhaps there is at least one copy of even the most improbable, but technically possible systems out there somewhere.

I'm a physicist but I study really small things, not really big things, so I apologize for any incorrect terminology or errors I might have made but I don't play on the astrophysics scale like, ever, so it's a little outside my scope, but I tried to make some guesses to actually answer the OP's questions. Pragmatically they designed Eletania this way to look cool, not to be astrophysically correct. Would love to see any comments by a physicist who studies things a little more applicable.

BTW WTF at using a planet from Star Wars as proof of anything? Um Star Wars was a story written by someone who knows little about the physical workings of the universe, at a time when we as a species knew very little about the physical workings of the universe (at least compared to the knowledge one would need to build a relatively accurate parallel of our universe by today's standards). Geonosis is certainly not an "example" as you say, as it never existed. Do you also demand lawmakers to fund mideoclorean (sp?) research so we can develop jedi warriors because "the jedi did in Star Wars?" I'd love to see the looks of abject horror on the faces of whoever read my thesis if I surmised my position on time travel based on the idea that "In Back to the Future Doc Brown did it!" Sorry didn't mean to flame just hit me as one of those WTF moments lol.

--97.102.253.13 14:01, February 4, 2012 (UTC) DJ Kilroy

And we have only your word that you are what you say you are, and that means little. Lancer1289 19:28, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
Do you really have to be so condescending? Is it so hard to not add unnecessary bits like "and that means little"? Who made you the authority on people's opinions? Rtl42 14:18, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
Um, what does that have to do with anything? First of all, my entire entry is written in a "my-best-guess" sort of tone, so it's not as if I'm claiming any kind of absolute knowledge or certainty in the first place. On top of that the only time I go on to mention that I'm a physicist is when I outline how I'm unqualified to answer the question with any certainty, and advise everything I say is taken with a grain of salt. As I mentioned in my original entry I was only taking my best guess. I've not claimed any certainty or asked that my credentials be taken as proof of any concept, so I'm not sure what relevence your point has. Furthermore, how has your comment contributed in any way to the topic at hand or the OP's question? If you don't want to think about the things disccussed here because of some imagined lack of qualification than wallow in your own ignorance alone, don't come here and flame my entries. I spent a long time writting up a quality response to a niche question just in case anybody else saw the OP's original question and was interested in some further thoughts. Based on your response I'd be interested to hear who you were trying to enlighten? ...And to what ends?
If it makes you feel better to assume I'm lying, ignore the whole enjoyment of friendly discussion, and assert a lack of integrity on my part (with no knowledge or evidence of such a thing) than go ahead. Hell, if it makes you feel better to imagine I'm a homeless person go ahead. I didn't get a physics degree to look cool or impress. It doesn't effect the quality of my statements at all. The intelligence of my reasoning should be taken from my reasoning itself and not some piece of paper anyways.
--97.102.253.13 15:16, February 13, 2012 (UTC)DJ Kilroy
The wonderful thing about science fiction is that as much as it is based in science, it has the flexibility to take on fictional elements. There is no such thing as element zero that we know of, but they went ahead and made it up anyway.

Additionally, if a planet the size of Earth can hold a moon, why can't a terrestrial planet have a ring system? It would be rare, but not entirely unheard of. It turns out that all of the planets, Earth included, did have rings at one time. The thing is, these rings were unstable and the material was either lost to space or collected into the satellites of these planets. The difference between the terrestrial and giant planets is the giant planets have the gravity to capture and hold onto a large satellite system, and these satellite systems are the source of the ring material.

For a ring to be stable, it must be held tightly by the planet's gravity, and the planet must also exert tidal forces on the particles in the ring. Tidal forces result from the fact that the pull of gravity is inversely related to distance, so the farther away an object is, the less force it experiences from the object it is orbiting. Therefore, a planet pulls a little bit more on the inner side of its moons than on the outer side. Close enough to a planet, this might cause a moon to break apart, and also keeps the bits of material that form a ring from collecting together into a moon.

However, it's possible that Mars might develop a ring in the future. Its moon, Phobos, is close enough to the planet that it feels the effects of the planet's tidal forces, and eventually it may break apart and form a ring.

If a similar disaster were to befall the moon... well, we might just get a new ring system of our own right here on Earth. No, I don't think a terrestrial planet having rings is a problem, especially in a fiction story. Martolives 14:31, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

In ME3 Edit

I know that Eletania is featured in ME3 and you can scan the planet for an item. I just don't remember what that item is. Can anyone fill it in? Freakium 04:35, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

And please either add the description, or don't, but please do not add what was added. That doesn't fit even remotely into the MoS.
As to what is scanned, see Search and Rescue. Lancer1289 04:38, March 18, 2012 (UTC)

Also, the rings Edit

Slender Volus was here: Ok, I noticed that if you look at the rings (While on the surface) and you trace it to where either end hits the horizon, it looks as if the rings hit the ground in front of a far off mountain range. It kind of reminds me of the Solcrum-Grissom thing where the far-off-the-surface body appears to be in front of mountains on the surface. I tried to simply post it on the page but some guy without a Wiki name erased it. No idea why.

The Vision and Javik Edit

Just out of curiosity, could the vision on Eletania somehow impact a conversation with Javik? I remember at one point discussing with him the way Protheans would uplift lesser species and how they were watching us on Mars. Granted, on all my playthroughs I've seen the vision, so I can't say definitively whether this impacts anything, but given that it's flagged as something important I'd say it's not unreasonable to hypothesize this. Thoughts? ShermTank7272 (talk) 03:46, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Rachni Songs Edit

Rachni noises can be heard on the hill behind the crashed probe with the dead monkeys. --71.236.162.51 03:31, August 29, 2013 (UTC) Pixel Foxes


Sphere Edit

Is the Prothean artifact supposed to be reminiscent of the sphere from, you know, Sphere? It's of a similar size and texture, it messes with your mind, and it is selective in what it reflects (the environment but not people). --Palantas (talk) 03:55, May 19, 2014 (UTC)

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