I would like to build this page into a guide for the Suicide Mission (or maybe we should create a new "Suicide Misson" page?) that details how to select people for each task in the mission...for example listing the people who die regardless of loyalty if you send them into the ventilation shaft (such as Jacob), and so on and so forth. I'm not good with wiki-format though... Should I just put up what I know, though, and let others help with formatting and stuff? --JakeARoonie 05:40, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
- The Mass Effect 2 Guide page [] already has most of the info required. Tali/Legion for vent, Garrus/Miranda/Jacob as squad leader, Samara/Morinth/Jack for biotic barrier. One thing it doesn't mention is that you need to go into the Omega 4 relay very soon after the attack, perhaps immediately, in order to save Kelly Chambers. -126.96.36.199 16:26, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
- What about Doctor Chakwas? Does delaying after the attack get Chakwas killed too? My guess would be no, as there must be someone alive for the escort team to escort back to the Normandy. JakeARoonie 20:09, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
This article employs various tenses and so is inconsistent in its style. Are the majority of the articles on the ME2 Wikia written in the past or present tense? I would be happy to spruce up the article regardless.
- I'm under the impression that the articles should be written in past tense, as viewed at the end of Mass Effect 2. If a certain situation is currently true at the end of Mass Effect 2, I'd use present tense there. But for events that happen during the course of the game, I'd probably use past. That's just me though, and I'm no expert. JakeARoonie 20:09, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
Proposed move Edit
This should probably be moved to Collector Base, as it's certainly worthy of the proper noun. --Tullis 00:26, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't it actually be Collector Station? When you do a save in the final part of the game, that is what in the location description. —Seburo 06:55, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
Should be Collector Station. Dch2404 15:30, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with naming it Collector Station.Bastian964 22:15, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with the proposed move, why hasn't it been moved? Ilovetelephones 09:37, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
- Mainly because in the final mission the journal entires say Collector Base: Infiltration and Collector Base: The Long Walk. While in the save game category it says Collector Station. When issues like this arrise, we go with the journal entry and it says base, so it's base. Though Capitalization might be in order to move to Collector Base. I'll let that one sit for a few days then drop the admins a line. Lancer1289 17:33, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
- I agree: Base should also be capitalized. It's no different from capitalizing river like in Amozon River. It could also just be a proper noun like in Golden Gate Bridge. Darpod016 17:53, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
Does anyone know how Normandy gets out of the galactic center at the end of ME2, I assume there is a Mass Relay nearby?, they don't really make it clear. 188.8.131.52 23:05, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, there must be a mass relay. Presumably they get out the same way that the Collector cruiser used when it went gallivanting about the galaxy. SpartHawg948 23:13, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
So you mean they went out the way they came inThe geth rule 23:25, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
- The load screen directly after them jumping to FTL shows a Mass Relay, so it's only reasonable. Webrunner 13:44, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
- Of course there is a Mass Effect Relay nearby. Relays don't just launch you through space to some random locale, they launch you towards another, corresponding relay. So, they treat it just like they treated the Omega 4 relay, and presto! You're in normal space again. :) --Effectofthemassvariety 17:40, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
Move Proposal (Station) Edit
Since the old discussion is dead, I figured I should start a new one. I disagree with the move to Collector Station because Station is is the save menu only, while Collector Base is the journal entry. Lancer1289 00:35, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with Lancer and oppose the move to "Collector Station". -- Commdor (Talk) 00:46, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
Move Proposal (Base) Edit
I agree with this move, because capitalization and because we usually go by journal entries in cases like this. Lancer1289 00:35, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
- Seconded. -- Commdor (Talk) 00:47, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with moving it to Collector Base. Not so much with Collector Station. But Base, yes. SpartHawg948 04:06, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
(Reset indent) Article has been moved to Collector Base. 3-0 on Base vs. 0-2 on Station, so I think that sealed the deal with this one. Lancer1289 04:40, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
Astrophysical information Edit
Hello all. I recently added some astrophysical information regarding the care that the developers put in to make the 3D graphics of the accretion disk and black hole scientifically accurate. This addition was undone, and I am undoing the undo and adding my rationale here.
In my opinion, the level of care put into scientific accuracy is an unusual feature of the Mass Effect series, and I think that most Mass Effect players would not know this information, and would at the same time find it useful and interesting to see that the structure of the black hole in the game reflects current understanding of such objects by professional astronomers. This is highly unusual for most sci fi with video content---popular science fiction films and TV series often get all the details wrong---and Mass Effect therefore stands out as an unusual scientifically accurate contribution to this genre. To the person who said "why wouldn't it be scientifically accurate," I reply that most science fiction actually contains gross mistakes, and that the 3D graphics are unusual in their faithfulness to current observations. I think this makes a persuasive case that the information should be left in. No one loses by its inclusion. PausaniasX 04:07, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
I see that the undo's undo was undone. I look forward to discussing this with the editors. Here is the proposed content:
- The 3D graphics involving the black hole have many astrophysically accurate features, including an outward moving jet perpendicular to a differentially rotating accretion disk. Distinct blobs of material are noticeable within the jet, and appear similar to observations of jets of supermassive black holes such as the one at the core of the galaxy M87 ; the blobs are moving at appreciable speeds, again in qualitative if not quantitative agreement with observations . The glow around the black hole shows evidence of a transition to spherically symmetric accretion, as in an advection-dominated accretion flow.. PausaniasX 04:31, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
PausaniasX 04:31, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
- I like the idea of including this information, but I'm wondering if it might be better suited to a page specifically about the Galactic Core or something similar? After all it isn't really a feature of the Collector base itself, but where it is located. Haravikk (talk) 12:37, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
Why So Much Plot? Edit
So I just saw an edit talking about how the colour of the star changes depending on your choice and paragon/renegade status and thought maybe I could word it better. Then I realised that there was no reason for information on the colour of a star in a cutscene that doesn't even take place on the base to even be in this article. So, I thought, well, I'll just delete this section then. Then I thought, hang on a minute, why on Earth is any of this information here? We basically have a somewhat more detailed rehashing of the last part of the Mass Effect 2 Storyline section.
What is this doing on what is, essentially, a Location article? Tuchanka, the Citadel and Horizon, for example, merely have links to Mission pages for any mission that takes place there, no long plot descriptions of events that occur there. Purgatory has a short summary of events that happen there, and a Mission link. Peak 15 and Asteroid X57, original Mass Effect locations, only have descriptions of the location and Peak 15 doesn't even have a mission link. The only other article I could find like this one was the Migrant Fleet article. Clearly there's no standard in place for plot information on Location articles, but as varied as the other articles are, only one other one is like this.
My instinct would be to delete all the plot information, maybe add some descriptions of various parts of it, the transportation inside it etc. and add the relevant mission links.
I'm not against the idea of plot sections on events that occur at locations, maybe with a subsection 'Plot' followed be subheadings for each relevant game/book, but whatever ends up happening, this article is currently the odd one out.
JakePT 08:46, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
- However, I can see the reason for it to be there as the decisions there affect what happens next. I do believe that relevant plot points should be on pages, however I would have to say that some of your suggestions are more relevant in the Policy Forum for a community debate about such things. As it stands now however, I would oppose removing the information as it would be removal of valid and relevant content. Even then I probably would oppose removing a lot of the information as there are some very major events that occur there and should be noted. Lancer1289 15:57, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
I could be wrong, but I don't recall Mass Effect: Retribution saying the Collector Base was preserved. All I see is "Cerberus had salvaged key pieces of technology from the remains of the Collector operation." This could go either way. You can salvage items and "key pieces of technology" from destroyed space stations. There is such a thing as debris, after all. I only skimmed the book, as I have to leave for work right about now, but I'm pretty sure the book doesn't say anything definitive one way or the other about the base. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks! SpartHawg948 19:23, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
- You are absolutely right. All this talk about how saving the Collector Base is a canon choice by Bioware is getting a bit annoying.
- Yes but in the recently released interview with Mac Walters he says: "The Illusive Man [Slight Spoilers for MASS EFFECT 2 Here!] has the base beyond the Omega 4 relay, and that's very important to him, all the research that Shepard was able to obtain for him there in Mass Effect 2." Does that mean that the choice to preserve it would be the canon choice?--SPRHLYWD21 01:14, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
- No it doesn't. It could also mean that the Illusive Man established a base after Mass Effect 2 to study the base, if preserved, or to recover tech, if destroyed. It by no stretch of the word that preserving it is the canon choice. Lancer1289 01:20, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
Mass Effect 3 Edit
- Cerberus has recovered what remained of the human reaper if the base is destroyed, yes -- RandomTime 13:25, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
- And if it stayed intact, does Cerberus have more power ? I think this page needs a new chapter about ME3 :) -- Yolanc 13:36, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
- Late response, but agreed. Personally I didn't keep the base, but someone who did should report back for considerable changes to Assets status.HN s4mur41 07:13, April 7, 2012 (UTC)
- Agreed also. I only recently got around to playing Mass Effect 3 all the way through as my renegade character so I only know what happened if the base was preserved. It sounds as if Cerberus manages to recover plenty of material regardless, even though destroying the base should also have collapsed the mass effect field that was keeping it intact and allowing ships to jump safely into the space around it. Anyway, if someone who knows the impact of both options could add a more definite section then I think it would be useful; otherwise it may be a while till I finish a playthrough of my (mostly) paragon character as well. Haravikk (talk) 10:47, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
"Cylon" trivia needs more substantial ties Edit
Yet another case of people looking so hard and seeing things that aren't there. The space station in Disney's The Black Hole was also at the edge of an accretion disk, but I don't hear anyone making connections between VINCENT and EDI, or Dr. Reinhardt's subversion of the Cygnus crew and the Reaper's indoctrination of the Protheans. Heck, why don't we allude HK-47 to Maximilian, since they're both red, killer androids.
A link to BW staff saying how much they enjoyed the new BSG would be a great start. predcon 02:01, March 19, 2012 (UTC)