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This page is for discussing a policy related to the Mass Effect Wiki that may or may not be passed by the community. The Form below serves to describe the Policy and what it is about, or what it will modify.

Policy: Add more interlanguage linksEdit

Description of Policy: To enable interlanguage links to several foreign-language Mass Effect wikis to which this wiki is currently unlinked:

This will possibly bring these wikis a bit more attention and benefit the international community. Notes: A few things:

  • I have no contributions to this wiki, but I'm an admin over at Community Central (not to be confused with Staff or VSTF), and thus can create all the links for you (though you are always free to request a link whether I offer my help or not)
  • I've created a very exhaustive list of foreign-language Mass Effect wikis, which may be found here. It includes wikis that I omit from this request for small size.
    • There are several languages to which this wiki is already linked, you may see these wikis at my list.


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Other Notes Edit

Notice: after discussion, a standard for the addition of interlanguage links is proposed: fifty mainspace articles. This will preclude links being made to some of the originally suggested wikis (affected wikis are crossed out).

VotingEdit

SupportEdit

  1. As proposer Elecbullet (talk) 03:48, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Happy to have links enabled based on description. Cattlesquat (talk) 00:40, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
  3. 4Ferelden (talk) 10:21, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Trandra (talk) 02:08, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
  5. Support the two additions Garhdo (talk) 02:51, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
  6. it's just a request to enable some features. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 04:15, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
  7. -- Commdor (Talk) 18:01, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Lksdjf (talk) 21:37, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

NeutralEdit

OpposeEdit

  1. Lancer1289 (talk) 14:15, April 16, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Per Lancer.--Legionwrex (talk) 04:31, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
  3. GOD BLESS AMERICA! --Charles Saracino 06:44, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

I'm confused about what this is proposing. Are you proposing an addition to the main page? More links on the articles themselves?

Usually editors of the other language ME wikis add the links when they have time. I don't add them because I don't know what pages already exist at those wikis--I don't want to add links that lead nowhere. Trandra (talk) 04:02, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

@Elecbullet - If you want to add more interlanguage links to articles here, there's no need for a policy proposal since we already allow such links (for example, see Turian, Mass Effect, Urdnot Wrex). If you want to add more interlanguage links to our articles, you're certainly welcome to do so. -- Commdor (Talk) 04:07, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
I am proposing that we enable the links. As it is, these wikis are not connected to this wiki in any way. That is, if I type [[de:]] it will render correctly and link to w:c:de.masseffect, but [[cs:]] will not, because it's not enabled. I'd like to have them enabled!
I'm sorry if I cause confusion. I should edit the proposal to clarify this. Elecbullet (talk) 04:11, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe we should establish a minimum number of articles and a standard before going ahead and linking the wikis. The Chinese language one only has 8 articles, and at least one of them is a copy-paste version of the Codex in English. And it hasn't been edited in the past 30 days. Trandra (talk) 04:29, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

w:c:tardis (Doctor Who wiki) is a similarly large wiki with such a policy: minimum thirty namespace articles, and must be located at languagecode.doctorwho.wikia.com (that is, they would exclude variations of the URL such as "doctorwhopedia").
It's worth notice that this wiki is linked to w:c:hu.masseffect with 95 articles, while the unlinked Czech wiki I list has 155. We're certainly not adhering to any standards as is. Perhaps review my list before constructing such a guideline. Elecbullet (talk) 04:40, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
this looks like a backend thing for people from the other-language wikis' convenience if they try to put links to their own versions in ours. easily supportable measure, though the foreign-language users (or anyone else studious enough) will have to shoulder the linking themselves, as before. that'll separate the ones who care about their projects from those who don't.
that said, i ain't averse to any standards you admins might cook up. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 04:47, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
I have to say this isn't something that really affects me, but provided the foreign language wikis have enough mainspace to be included then I see no reason why this shouldn't be done. Garhdo (talk) 09:03, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

I hate to seem like I'm changing the proposal halfway through discussion, but since there is a push to have a standard, how about I propose the following:

  • 15 mainspace articles minimum
  • No requirement for URL similarity

A URL requirement seems like a good idea, but it would exclude w:c:it.masseffectitalia, so I am reluctant to do that. It has more articles than w:c:it.masseffect (53 versus 32) and some inkling of recent activity including an active administrator. The page requirement as I proposed would exclude w:c:zh.masseffect which most people seemed to object to anyway, so I'm willing to part with it. Otherwise my originally suggested links would be compatible. This sound good? Elecbullet (talk) 03:27, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

I would suggest more than 15 as the minimum, at least 20 but ideally 30 is a good minimum. I agree with not having the URL consistency if it means we link to the best quality (more content and more activity, etc.) wikis. Garhdo (talk) 08:03, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

I would agree with the above. 4Ferelden (talk) 10:21, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

I think the above restrictions are too lax. There has been little activity on many of the related ones and only a handful are actually active. The only ones I can find that are active are the German, French, and Spanish ones. We currently also have a standard of only linking to Wikia affiliated sites, and I do not want that to change. If, and I stress if, this is permitted, then the requirments should be recent admin activity, demonstratable recent activity by users/admins not just anons coming in and making one edit, and at the very least 50 mainspace articles.

My personal opinion here is that if someone wants to link a another language, then it is there responsibility to do so since we currently have no restrictions on that point apart from only wikia affiliated sites. However, I am still very much confused by this proposal because of what I just said. Lancer1289 (talk) 14:15, April 16, 2013 (UTC)

Eh. It is disappointing to have the objections of such a prominent user. I was going to modify the proposal to be a tad more strict, excluding also PT-BR, but certainly not to the extent that we exclude even the formidable Catalan wiki. I also can't figger out what is meant by "Wikia affiliated"... all the wikis above are Wikia wikis, unless I'm missing something.
The proposed links aren't primarily to benefit your wiki (I doubt that anyone would only be able to find you via a link on an Italian site). Not necessarily a bad thing, rather, this is more to benefit the foreign wikis: it's all for the Mass Effect (and international) communities. If nobody knows these wikis exist, then it should be no surprise that the wikis' activity is low... ultimately, it's lessened userbases that causes 99% of foreign wikis to be inferior to their English equivalents, and it only makes the situation worse that people end up making duplicate wikis (as seen on my list). I try to help by running to random wikis and asking the administrators to permit me to link their wikis... and this seemed the appropriate medium in which to ask.
I'll see how the discussion plays out. If it turns out ultimately that the links shall not be made, I'll be disappointed but I'll move to the next wiki. Elecbullet (talk) 01:21, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
Well, one vote against (even from an admin) isn't enough to defeat a proposal. I definitely think the Czech and Italian (the biggest one) wikis should be linked. The Portuguese and Dutch, which would just slide in under the proposed 15 and 30 minimums, respectively, don't seem to be well-maintained. 50 seems excessive, but it would still allow links to the two that I do want linked. You should edit the Description or Other Notes in your proposal to make the proposed number clear/official. Then I'll vote. Trandra (talk) 01:59, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
I am nervous about editing a proposal after votes have already come in, but if you insist I will. Elecbullet (talk) 01:56, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Today is the 21st, in a few hours discussion will close. Forgive me for preparing for implementation before all tallies are final, but I think we should make ourselves clear.

I will watch this thread closely. In the event of closure with a verdict of "Pass", I will go to Community Central and make a dummy interlanguage link request similar to this one for Pixar wiki. As a Community Central admin, I can personally enable the interlanguage links: I will recursively enable links between:

  • masseffect.wikia.com
  • de.masseffect.wikia.com
  • es.masseffect.wikia.com
  • fr.masseffect.wikia.com
  • hu.masseffect.wikia.com
  • pl.masseffect.wikia.com
  • ru.masseffect.wikia.com
  • cs.masseffect.wikia.com
  • it.masseffectitalia.wikia.com

Note of course that the first six foreign-language wikis are already linked here: see my list. There can typically be a delay of up to a few hours before they begin to work. After that, though, an administrator should add links to the Main Page, which is protected from editing. It will also be up to the local administrators to record this new policy (50 articles minimum for a link) wherever they find it appropriate, if they find it appropriate to record.

I may also inform the Dutch wiki's admins about the new policy, that is, I won't link them but I'll tell them that if they can get 50 articles they will be eligible. This is all what I plan to do. If anyone objects to anything I'm doing, please let me know very soon. Elecbullet (talk) 14:44, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

This thread is over 24 hours overdue for closure. Elecbullet (talk) 02:06, April 23, 2013 (UTC)