Forum:Demotion of Temporaryeditor78 V2

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Policy: Demotion of Temporaryeditor78

Description of Policy: I would like to generate a discussion pertaining to Temporaryeditor78 and his admin rights.

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Supporting links or images: Forum:Demotion of Temporaryeditor78, Forum:Proposal of Admin Rules and Regulations, Forum:Education section

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It seems that TE78 (this is what I will refer to Temporaryeditor78 as, for brevity) does not have the highest approval rating as an administrator. This very forum is a testament to that, as it is the second of its kind. In the preceding debate, TE78 maintained his admin rights as a result of a 9-5-11 vote. However, it should be noted that a good portion those opposing the demotion of TE78 are now either inactive or very small-time contributors; while, on the other hand, those who supported his demotion were very prominent editors who have contributed to the Mass Effect Wiki in a variety of ways. Excluding the small-time editors who seemingly only returned to cast their votes (NOTE: I am in no way saying that their votes are insignificant in contrast to those of users with more contributions; just that they have contributed significantly less than those who supported the proposal), the final vote would have been 9-5-7 (users excluded: User:MarkRulez711 (inactive since last proposal · 11 total edits), User:Perkins98 (inactive since 11-23-2014 · 374 total edits), User:Titan45 (inactive since last proposal · 2 total edits), and User:YamiX0 (inactive since last proposal · 11 total edits)). Despite some users against the proposal leaving the wiki immediately after the conclusion of the vote, a few still incessantly debated against the supporters.

The thing that struck me while reading through the discussion section of the last proposal was that TE78 doesn't need to be an administrator to do what he does best – add content and revert vandalism; he's a content editor (and a damn good one). Since the issue is TE78 lacking some of the most necessary qualities an administrator is expected to possess—mediation skills, tact, and an overall mature manner of handling situations—I honestly don't see why his admin rights can't be given to someone who possesses the aforementioned, as well as advanced wiki prowess (like Elseweyr—who seems to be a community favorite—or anyone else who is capable of maintaining a community, rather than immaturely handling situations, and the Mass Effect Wiki's technical matters).

After reading through the debate, I was amazed to see that all users against the proposal failed to state exactly why TE78 needed admin rights to begin with. He's a voracious content/file contributor to the mainspace, but, to put it bluntly, his social skills are sub-par and his usage of admin privileges is nigh nonexistent. Allowing him to retain his rollback rights would enable him to continue to easily revert vandal revisions as well – yet another thing that he does within the mainspace. Sure, he changes the wiki's background image in Wikia.css on a monthly basis for whatever reasons, but that's an unnecessary aspect of wiki maintenance and isn't at all mandatory.

As my stance on this situation is of a neutral user making an assessment of what he's seen thus far, I will also leave those in favor of supporting the demotion of TE78 with a little note: Supporting his demotion could very well result in him leaving the wiki entirely, and that's something this wiki simply can't afford (due to the lackluster performance of the other admins). TE78 truly is the only active and contributing admin on this wiki, as sad as it is. Another admin could be selected, of course, but I have yet to see anyone on this wiki with the mainspace credibility TE78 has displayed (though TE78's attitude has seemingly played a significant role in this).

Tl;dr: TE78 really doesn't require admin rights in the first place, as he contributes in a manner doable by the average user. Such privileges are more suited for someone who can actually promote wiki cooperation and growth, rather than a user with a lone wolf mentality. Potential results of his demotion should be noted and thought on, however...

The community really has two choices: take the chance of demoting the most active contributor to the wiki in recent years who has contributed to the wiki in a myriad of ways—... which happens to include the decrease of community activity and cooperation—and subsequently risk losing him altogether, or suck it up, let him retain his admin rights and allow him do what he does best—adding stellar content—while other users continue to suffer and leave as a result of his attitude and demeanor. Versta (talk) 23:59, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Discussion

Well, my piece is that TE78 is unpleasant to work with, in addition to being abrasive. But the guy gets results. Basically every other admin left, leaving TE78 as the only one who shows up to work here on a consistent basis and get things done, so if we demote the only consistent admin, we're stuck if a problem that requires an admin immediately shows up, so we might as well leave TE78's rights up. Yes, I don't think he's the best admin we could have, but he's the only one we do have that's still active. Unless someone else wants to take up the job of admin here, and be consistent in such a job, then TE78 is really our only choice.

So, in short, I propose we let TE78 keep his rights because there seems to be no alternative solutions beyond go with the abrasive, consistently active admin or no admin at all. --173.58.251.107 04:01, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

The latter is only a subsequent possibility, should TE78 react immaturely in the advent of his demotion and leave the wiki altogether. Versta (talk) 04:23, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

I'll agree with that. --173.58.251.107 04:59, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

I have a suggestion: how about a proposal to promote other active users to amnin status instead of demoting the only truly committed one we got.(I mean he hasn't done any rhing bad in my book and more amnins would balance things out anyway.)Forever224 (talk) 11:12, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Users here can request admin status through the appropriate forum if they wanted to (and provided they meet the requirements on the admin request page). Great Mara (talk) 22:19, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Why don't we ask Elseweyr or DeldiRe if they want to consider stepping up to the job? They seem capable enough to handle the job. --173.58.251.107 02:47, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Alrighty. It would help to have a second admin, and it's best that there be another to bring to the table what TE78 seemingly isn't capable of—mediation skills, tact, and an overall mature manner of handling situations.

In all honesty, I don't see why both Elseweyr and DeldiRe can't be granted admin rights, as the rest of the admins are inactive to the point of warranting their demotion anyway (since their privileges are going to waste). Both also seem to be capable of doing the aforementioned, as well as content editing; that's a plus too. Versta (talk) 16:17, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

... ... ... Have either one of them ever requested admin rights on the request page? Great Mara (talk) 16:40, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

You do know that all of the current administrators were simply granted administrator rights based on community approval, right (according to the Requests for Adminiship archive)? 184.6.3.204 17:56, January 31, 2015 (UTC)