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Can anyone tell me what the source of this assertion: “The Citadel Council made first contact with the batarians in approximately 200 BCE, and granted the batarians an embassy on the Citadel a century later.”? I didn’t found confirmation in the Codex, books, comics, game texts etc. And the “Galactic Codex Essentials edition 2183” doesn't mention batarians at all.--Alexpolt (talk) 07:00, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

I was about to instruct you to perform a Talk/History investigation on relevant pages, but ended up doing it myself. I combed through the Timeline, Citadel Council and Batarian pages; turns out the Timeline has likely (and inconveniently) been wrong all along, hence the other pages as well.
  • July 2008: the date 200 BCE and some new info on a few species is added to the Timeline.
  • (December 2009: another user tries their hand at correcting the dates, but does the math wrong (among other things) and gets reverted.)
  • January 2010: Admin Tullis appears to have been the one overseeing the page at the time; she explicitly asked about the sources for the 200 BCE - 1 CE section and stated that no information on this can be found in the GC:E. No-one responded and the matter appears to have been neglected since. (It could of course have been brought up on other Talk pages or User talk pages, but that would be more challenging to dig up.)
It seems likely the Timeline has been used as a source when adding information to other articles. This information was added to the Council and Batarian pages in late 2010:
I wonder where the information in the initial Timeline edit originates from, but unless a source can be found, it should probably be removed.
I think the real problem is the volus embassy date: we only have Avina's "word" for it, and the rest of her timeline info conflicts the Codex and other sources, as outlined in the discussion earlier. Elseweyr (talk) 09:39, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this investigation. I found only this:

1). The volus were the first non-Council species to be granted an embassy, roughly 2,384 galactic standard years ago. – Avina in ME1 (All three possible dates are incorrect: 417 BCE – right calculation, but conflicts with other dates, 202 BCE – Earth years-Galactic years, 5 BCE – probably right, but wrong calculation).

2). My people came to the Citadel shortly after the asari and salarians had discovered it. – Volus Ambassador in ME1. No dates.

3). The elcor were just beginning to explore Council space when the asari first made contact with us. With their help, we discovered the relay closest to our system and from there, the Citadel. Proudly, within one lifetime we established a regular route to the Citadel and quickly became one of the more active species living on this great station. – Elcor Ambassador in ME1. No dates.

4). Atos Irn was claimed, along with the rest of its system, after the volus learned FTL travel. In the great volus exploration push of 300 BCE, the species found only a few planets capable of supporting their colonies. – Atos Irn (planet in volus homeworld’s cluster) description in ME3.

5). 500 BCE – 700 CE Council races expand galactic community through exploration and first contact with other spacefaring species. Violent conflict and wars with new races mark this time. – Galactic Codex Essentials.

6) 900-2100 CE Galactic community continues to expand, new species are discovered, and a long period of peace and prosperity follows. – Galactic Codex Essentials.

It’s possible that contacts with batarians, hanar, elcor and quarians were between ~300 BCE-700 CE, not 200 BCE – 1 CE. --Alexpolt (talk) 12:52, October 29, 2013 (UTC)

i'm running a parallel investigation of my own and determined a few discrepancies. server maintenance coming up so i'll keep this brief
batarian embassy date wrong on current timeline. that much has been admitted by one retired admin i'm in email correspondence with (no hints). i'm taking said admin's words into considerations later when the revamps happen. T̴̴͕̲̞̳̖̼̱͒͛̎͒ͫ̃ͧeͩ̈̽̈҉͓̝̰̼̦̫̤̀͠m̫̪̪̯̻͎̫̅̇̓̇͌̚p̸̙̝̓̓͌ͨ͆ͣͥ̂̕o͒̽͐̽͏̞̬̻͕͔͕͚̰͍͠͞ṙ̢̞͚͈̹̰ͨ̓ͭ̈́̌ạ̢̧̪̹̺̺̣̹̲͂͆̏ͪͨ͒ͭř̹͈͜͠y̷͍̻̜̹̼̾̽̈́e̵̹̼̟̦͚͐̈́͌͘d͉̲̣̻͉̱͗̅ḭ̷̻̆͋̆̓̔͝t̨͍̦̫̗͂̅̍̋̆ͩ͝ộ̫̟̬̳̝̲̾ͫ̒̿ͮ̑̚rͯ̎ͨͭ̄̿̽͛҉̠̫̱̠̘̘̲́ͅ7̩̻ͤͩͨ͝͡8̜̣̙͇̻ͨ͛͛̆͒̆̽̒͐͜͡ ͥ̍̉̃̇ͥ̓ͨ͏̕҉̥̹͓̗̤̠̖̤ (talk) 12:59, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
And what did he say? :) --Alexpolt (talk) 17:32, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
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